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<div class='plainlinks' style='display: flex;justify-content: center;align-items:center;flex-wrap: wrap; font-size:1.25em;'>[[SSBU/Dark Pit|<div class='char-btn addShadow' style='font-color:white'>Overview</div>]] [[SSBU/Dark Pit/Setplay|<div class='char-btn addShadow' style='font-color:white'>Setplay</div>]] [[SSBU/Dark Pit/Strategy|<div class='char-btn addShadow' style='font-color:white'>Strategy</div>]] [[SSBU/Dark Pit/Matchups|<div class='char-btn addShadow' style='font-color:white'>Matchups</div>]] [[SSBU/Pit/Advanced_Stats|<div class='char-btn addShadow' style='font-color:white'>Advanced Stats</div>]]</div>
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|header=About Pit & Dark Pit
|content={{StockIcon|SSBU|Dark Pit}} is an echo fighter of none other than {{StockIcon|SSBU|Pit}}. The only gameplay differences at all between the two characters are their {{clr|special|Neutral B}} and {{clr|special|Side-B}} specials. Aside from those two moves, their moveset and technical data is completely identical.


The {{clr|special|Neutral B}} difference makes some parts of Dark Pit's advantage different than Pit's. Those differences will be documented on this page.
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== Combos ==
=== General Notes ===
Because Smash Ultimate's combos are very freeform, the following strings aren't full combos (unless stated otherwise). Think of a Smash combo as a LEGO building, in which you assemble different strings of moves in order to achieve a big combo. '''It is important to learn Dark Pit's combo theory''', moreso than for other characters because a lot of his combos are DI dependant. Also, a few things:
* Rage isn't taken into account for percentages
* Platform-dependant combo extensions won't be listed for simplicity's sake


=== Example Combos ===

These combos are there for people who are either beginners in the game or are just starting out with Dark Pit. '''These are in no way optimal or set in stone''' but should still be good for starting out

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| Title = Mid stage BnB
| Oneliner = Standard coast-to-coast
| Difficulty = {{tilt|Easy}}
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| Recipe = ({{grab|Dthrow}}) > {{aerial|Nair}} > {{aerial|Fair}} > {{tilt|Dash Attack}}
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Good combo done from a grab or a random {{aerial|Nair}} hit in neutral that sends the opponent offstage from anywhere on the stage. Doesn't work when near the ledge.

Against DI up, replace {{aerial|Fair}} > {{tilt|Dash Attack}} with {{aerial|Dair}} > {{aerial|Nair}}.
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| Title = Throw BnB
| Oneliner = You'll do this one a lot
| Difficulty = {{grab|Very Easy}}
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| Recipe = {{grab|Dthrow}} > {{aerial|Dair}} > {{aerial|Nair}}
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Good Dark Pit combo that nets good damage and sends the opponent offstage (unless you're facing away from the ledge, in which case you just reset neutral).


'''This combo does not work at 0%!!''' It works at around 10 to 20%. Still, it makes it a great opportunity to rob someone out of their double jump if they use it a lot to escape combos.
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== Juggling ==
{{TheoryBox
Outside of combos, juggles are Dark Pit's best source of damage. While his tools can be unassuming at first, they allow Dark Pit to keep opponents above him until they either die or retreat offstage. This doesn't mean that Dark Pit's are infallible, given the read-heavy nature of juggles in Smash, so don't get the wrong idea. Hovewer, they remain more reliable than most of the cast's
| Title = Throw BnB
| Oneliner = Confirm from a poke
| Difficulty = {{tilt|Easy}}
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| Recipe = {{tilt|Dtilt}} > microdash {{aerial|Nair}} > {{aerial|Fair}} > {{tilt|Dash Attack}}
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Basic combo from a grounded poke. Doesn't work when near the ledge.

Against DI up, replace {{aerial|Fair}} > {{tilt|Dash Attack}} with {{aerial|Dair}} > {{aerial|Nair}}.
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{{TheoryBox
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| Title = Grab confirm
| Title = Juggling tools
| Oneliner = Let's get this show on the road
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| Difficulty = {{grab|Very Easy}}
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| Recipe = Landing {{aerial|Bair}} > {{grab|Dash Grab}} > Throw combo
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* <big>'''{{clr|tilt|Dash Attack}}'''</big>
Very important confirm for Dark Pit, since it lets you rack up lots of damage from a safe button to throw out in neutral. Follow up with the throw combo of your choice.
In juggles, {{clr|tilt|Dash Attack}} is used as a last resort, when the opponent is close to the ground. Resets the situation on hit (it also sends opponents offstage)
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=== Combo Theory ===
A combo is divided into 3 parts: a '''starter''', a '''filler''' and an '''ender'''. The following will point out which moves fills which roles, and the reason why


* <big>'''{{clr|aerial|Uair}}'''</big> <sub>''Also known as "The Wall"''</sub>
==== Starters ====
Dark Pit's best juggling move. It is active for ''13 frames'', mostly due to its multi hit nature. Despite that, it has very little endlag, meaning that if opponents were to airdodge through it, Dark Pit can recover in time to punish their airdodge's endlag with another move, such as {{clr|aerial|Dair}}. If the opponent used their double jump to avoid it, Dark Pit can stay in the same spot and just throw another {{clr|aerial|Uair}}. Outside of that, this move has some synergy with Dark Pit's {{clr|special|neutral-B}}
:* This tactic loses to fastfall airdodge


{{TheoryBox
| Title = {{grab|Grab}}
| Oneliner = The reason you go for grabs
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitGrab 0.png
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Getting a grab as Dark Pit generally means you'll net a combo that'll send the opponent offstage. The main combo throw is {{grab|Dthrow}}, but it is also possible to combo from {{grab|Fthrow}} or {{grab|Bthrow}} at very low percents. Be aware that these two choices are very suboptimal compared to {{grab|Dthrow}}
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* <big>'''{{clr|special|Arrow}}'''</big> <sub>''Aerial version is prefered''</sub>
{{TheoryBox
Because his arrows are way stiffer, Dark Pit isn't as strong as {{StockIcon|SSBU|Pit}} for juggles. However, this doesn't mean that they should be discarded entirely, since throwing a projectile to force a reaction is always a good idea. It is only inferior to Pit's due to being able to cover less space than a regular arrow
| Title = {{tilt|Utilt}}
| Oneliner = Anti-air starter
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It's a somewhat niche starter, but it can still do some stuff. The main thing he'll combo into is {{aerial|Nair}} and {{aerial|Uair}}. However, on Pokémon Stadium 2, it is possible to repeatedly look a tech situation with the first hit of {{tilt|Utilt}}. This only works on a handful characters, and it isn't ideal, but it's still a good way to get some free damage. If the opponent techs, Dark Pit get a free {{aerial|Uair}}

It's not a very rewarding starter though, so don't rely on it too much
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| Title = {{tilt|Dtilt}}
| Oneliner = Grounded poke starter
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{{tilt|Dtilt}} is a move you'll throw out pretty often in neutral as Dark Pit, so it's good to know how to convert out of it. Usually leads to combos at low to mid percents
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| Title = {{aerial|Nair}}
| Oneliner = Of course it leads to combos
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{{aerial|Nair}} is Dark Pit's best move, and as such you'll throw it out a low in neutral (and in general). It's easy to combo off of this move and to turn any stray hit into a big combo
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== Edgeguard ==
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Edgeguards are Dark Pit's main way of taking the opponent's stock. Fortunately for him, his edgeguarding and {{tt|gimping|A type of edgeguard that aims to stop the opponent's momentum during recovery in order to kill way earlier than usual}} tools are some of the best in the game. This is only further enhanced by Dark Pit's multiple air jumps, allowing him to stay offstage way longer than other characters.
| Title = {{aerial|Bair}}
| Oneliner = Aerial poke starter
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitBAir 0.png
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{{aerial|Bair}} is Dark Pit's main poke, so learning to convert off of it is essential to becoming threatening in neutral. Ideally, Dark Pit wants to combo into {{grab|Grab}}, but against airborne opponents, he can settle for a {{aerial|Nair}} and continue from there

Ideally, Dark Pit don't want to use it as a starter, because it's also his main kill move, but it's also really good as a poke so you still have to learn those combos
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| Title = Edgeguarding tools
| Oneliner = Staple kill confirm starter
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* <big>'''{{clr|aerial|Nair}}'''</big>
{{aerial|Dair}} is usually used at higher percents, when the spike hitbox becomes positive enough on hit to combo into other (interesting) moves. The best option is to combo into {{grab|Grab}}, but if the opponent starts to be sent upwards, Dark Pit can go for any {{smash|Smash}} attacks or {{aerial|Uair}}, depending on the percentages
Due to being active for a very long time, Dark Pit can abuse of his {{clr|aerial|Nair}} to mow through recoveries without hitboxes or invincibility (also catches airdodge attemps). It also works wonders against {{tt|tethers|Things such as {{StockIcon|SSBU|Samus}}' {{clr|aerial|Zair}} or {{StockIcon|SSBU|Byleth}}'s {{clr|special|up-B}}}}, when properly timed. However, it is rather stubby, losing to recovery moves with longer reach


However, as good as it is, the very long endlag frames makes it pretty punishing if Dark Pit ever misses, since the opponent can recover, or even {{tt|reverse edgeguard|Edgeguard an opponent that is trying to edgeguard you}} him for free. So make sure you don't miss when you use it.
The side hitboxes can lead into combos at lower percents. Usually, Dark Pit combos this hit into an aerial, usually {{aerial|Nair}}
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* <big>'''{{clr|aerial|Fair}}'''</big>
==== Fillers ====
As a multi-hit, {{clr|aerial|Fair}} allows Dark Pit to cover a lot of space at once, especially when fastfalling. The disjoint on it makes {{clr|aerial|Fair}} safer to use against recoveries with a hitbox attached to it, while also killing earlier than {{clr|aerial|Nair}}, while having a shorter animation. It doesn't last nearly as long as {{clr|aerial|Nair}}, though
The table below shows different combo strings commonly used in Dark Pit combos. It is possible for a combo to contain more than one of these strings


{| class="wikitable sortable" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto;text-align: center"
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! String !! Damage range !! Possible follow-ups !! Notes
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|| {{aerial|Nair}} > {{aerial|Fair}} || Low/{{tilt|Mid}} || {{grab|Dash Grab}}, {{tilt|Dash Attack}}, {{aerial|Nair}} || The listed follow-ups are only possible at low percents
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|| {{aerial|Nair}} > {{aerial|Nair}} || Low || {{tilt|Dash Attack}}, {{aerial|Fair}}, {{aerial|Dair}} || Following up becomes way harder on DI up
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|| {{aerial|Dair}} > {{aerial|Nair}} || Low/{{tilt|Mid}} || - || Possible follow-ups on platforms
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|| {{aerial|Nair}} > {{aerial|Dair}} || Low || {{aerial|Nair}}, {{aerial|Uair}} || Mostly used against DI up
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|| Landing {{aerial|Fair}} > {{tilt|Dtilt}} || Any || {{aerial|Nair}}, {{aerial|Fair}}, {{aerial|Bair}} || Follow up with a standard {{tilt|Dtilt}} combo. Rising {{aerial|Fair}} also works on certain platforms
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|}


* <big>'''{{clr|aerial|Bair}}'''</big>
==== Enders ====
Mostly used against predictable recoveries, such as {{StockIcon|SSBU|Donkey Kong}}'s {{clr|special|up-B}}. It is most effective when used while holding to the ledge


This section will only list the most common combo enders Pit uses in his combos


* <big>'''{{clr|aerial|Dair}}'''</big>
{{TheoryBox
It's a spike, so of course it'll have some uses in edgeguard. However, said spike is notoriously weak, so Dark Pit will need to land it several times in a row if he's dead set on killing with it. Not optimal, and will help your opponent recover most of the time, but still a good option (on virtue of being a spike)
| Title = {{tilt|Dash Attack}}
| Oneliner = Grounded combo ender
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitDashAttack 0.png
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Generally used when the opponent is pretty far away, and you don't have anything else that'll reach the opponent at this distance. Somewhat niche and subpar ender, but it still gives Dark Pit stage control, and allows him to {{tt|juggle|Hit an opponent while they're trying to land on the stage}} his opponent
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{{TheoryBox
| Title = {{smash|Usmash}}
| Oneliner = Please stop doing {{grab|Dthrow}} > {{smash|Usmash}}
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitUSmash 0.png
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Ranging from CPU combos to kill confirms, {{smash|Usmash}} is a very valuable combo ender at high percents. Please don't use this at low percents, you're needlessly staling one of your kill moves for a suboptimal combo. This means stop doing {{grab|Dthrow}} > {{smash|Usmash}}. Please, I'm begging you.
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* <big>'''{{clr|special|Arrow}}'''</big> <sub>''Meet The Sniper''</sub>
{{TheoryBox
Dark Pit's {{clr|special|arrow}} is a very potent way to force the opponent to burn a mobility option offstage. Since Dark Pit's {{clr|special|arrow}} does more hitstun and damage, he can more easily chain {{clr|special|arrows}} together, which can quickly kill the opponent. This works best when Dark Pit is airborne, since {{clr|special|arrow}} has less endlag in the air. However, the stiffness of Dark Pit's {{clr|special|arrow}} makes it a more commital strategy, especially when trying to cover low recoveries
| Title = {{aerial|Bair}}
| Oneliner = Air combo ender
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitBAir 0.png
| Recipe =
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Ideally, Pit wants to end his combos with {{aerial|Bair}} at mid to high percents in order to either kill or at least gain stage control. At lower percents, it's usually not worth going for since Pit's staling one of his rare kill moves for no particular reason
}}


If the opponent knows about that (whether they learned the hard way or via {{tt|an external source|Such as what you're currently reading}}), chances are they'll do whatever they can to avoid the arrow. This is Dark Pit's cue to get closer and hit them with one of the previously mentioned tools. Repeat until the opponent either dies or gets back to the stage
{{TheoryBox
| Title = {{aerial|Uair}}
| Oneliner = Going for juggles
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitUAir 0.png
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{{aerial|Uair}} is a good combo ender because it lets Dark Pit at a position to freely {{tt|juggle|Hit an opponent while they're trying to land on the stage}} his opponents. Usually used mid stage, when {{aerial|Bair}} won't kill or send the opponent offstage
}}


It is very difficult to say which Pit has the better arrow for edgeguards, given how differently they are used. Experiment with both Pits and come to your own conclusions!
{{TheoryBox
| Title = {{aerial|Nair}}
| Oneliner = When you don't have anything else
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitNAir 0.png
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{{aerial|Nair}} is definitely not the best combo ender at Dark Pit's disposal, but sometimes you just don't have anything else. It still leaves Dark Pit with good positioning.

Try to not end combos with {{aerial|Nair}} if possible
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}}

{{TheoryBox
| Title = {{aerial|Fair}}
| Oneliner = The poor man's {{aerial|Bair}}
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| Video = SSBU Dark Pit DarkPitFAir 0.png
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As an ender, {{aerial|Fair}} is just a worse, lazier version of {{aerial|Bair}}. Ideally, you want to avoid using this, but it is still often used, due to it giving good positioning. Not really optimal, but still way better than nothing
}}



== Kill Confirms ==

The table below contains the most common and reliable kill confirms Dark Pit has at his disposal

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto;text-align: center"
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! Confirm !! Percent range !! DI it works on !! Notes
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|| {{grab|Dthrow}} > {{tt|RAR|Reverse Aerial Rush}} {{aerial|Bair}} || 60 ~ 160 || Out, up, down || -
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|| {{grab|Dthrow}} > {{tt|IDJ|Instant Double Jump}} {{aerial|Uair}} || 90 ~ 115 || In || DI mixup for {{grab|Fthrow}} at the ledge
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|| {{tilt|Utilt}} > IDJ {{aerial|Uair}} || 95 ~ 115 || All || IDJ makes it kill earlier
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|| {{tilt|Dtilt}} > {{aerial|Bair}} || 70 ~ 85 || All || Stops working on DI out at higher percents
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|| Landing {{aerial|Nair}} > {{smash|Dsmash}} || 90 ~ 140 || All || Somewhat inconsistent, due to the nature of Dark Pit's dragdown combos
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|| Landing {{aerial|Fair}} > {{smash|Dsmash}} || 130+ || All || -
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|| {{aerial|Dair}} spike > {{smash|Usmash}} || 75 ~ 95 || All || Trueness depends on how close you land on the ground
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|| {{aerial|Dair}} spike > {{smash|Fsmash}} || 50 ~ 60 || All || Same as above. Make sure you are facing towards/near the ledge before going for it
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|| {{aerial|Dair}} spike > {{aerial|Uair}} || 105 ~ 125 || All || Use this when {{smash|Usmash}} won't connect
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|| {{aerial|Dair}} spike > {{special|side-B}} || 80 ~ 120 || All || Use this when {{smash|Usmash}} won't kill
|}


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Latest revision as of 19:27, 24 May 2023

About Pit & Dark Pit
Dark Pit is an echo fighter of none other than Pit. The only gameplay differences at all between the two characters are their Neutral B and Side-B specials. Aside from those two moves, their moveset and technical data is completely identical.

The Neutral B difference makes some parts of Dark Pit's advantage different than Pit's. Those differences will be documented on this page.


Juggling

Outside of combos, juggles are Dark Pit's best source of damage. While his tools can be unassuming at first, they allow Dark Pit to keep opponents above him until they either die or retreat offstage. This doesn't mean that Dark Pit's are infallible, given the read-heavy nature of juggles in Smash, so don't get the wrong idea. Hovewer, they remain more reliable than most of the cast's

Juggling tools


  • Dash Attack

In juggles, Dash Attack is used as a last resort, when the opponent is close to the ground. Resets the situation on hit (it also sends opponents offstage)


  • Uair Also known as "The Wall"

Dark Pit's best juggling move. It is active for 13 frames, mostly due to its multi hit nature. Despite that, it has very little endlag, meaning that if opponents were to airdodge through it, Dark Pit can recover in time to punish their airdodge's endlag with another move, such as Dair. If the opponent used their double jump to avoid it, Dark Pit can stay in the same spot and just throw another Uair. Outside of that, this move has some synergy with Dark Pit's neutral-B

  • This tactic loses to fastfall airdodge


  • Arrow Aerial version is prefered

Because his arrows are way stiffer, Dark Pit isn't as strong as Pit for juggles. However, this doesn't mean that they should be discarded entirely, since throwing a projectile to force a reaction is always a good idea. It is only inferior to Pit's due to being able to cover less space than a regular arrow



Edgeguard

Edgeguards are Dark Pit's main way of taking the opponent's stock. Fortunately for him, his edgeguarding and gimpingA type of edgeguard that aims to stop the opponent's momentum during recovery in order to kill way earlier than usual tools are some of the best in the game. This is only further enhanced by Dark Pit's multiple air jumps, allowing him to stay offstage way longer than other characters.

Edgeguarding tools


  • Nair

Due to being active for a very long time, Dark Pit can abuse of his Nair to mow through recoveries without hitboxes or invincibility (also catches airdodge attemps). It also works wonders against tethersThings such as Samus' Zair or Byleth's up-B, when properly timed. However, it is rather stubby, losing to recovery moves with longer reach

However, as good as it is, the very long endlag frames makes it pretty punishing if Dark Pit ever misses, since the opponent can recover, or even reverse edgeguardEdgeguard an opponent that is trying to edgeguard you him for free. So make sure you don't miss when you use it.


  • Fair

As a multi-hit, Fair allows Dark Pit to cover a lot of space at once, especially when fastfalling. The disjoint on it makes Fair safer to use against recoveries with a hitbox attached to it, while also killing earlier than Nair, while having a shorter animation. It doesn't last nearly as long as Nair, though


  • Bair

Mostly used against predictable recoveries, such as Donkey Kong's up-B. It is most effective when used while holding to the ledge


  • Dair

It's a spike, so of course it'll have some uses in edgeguard. However, said spike is notoriously weak, so Dark Pit will need to land it several times in a row if he's dead set on killing with it. Not optimal, and will help your opponent recover most of the time, but still a good option (on virtue of being a spike)


  • Arrow Meet The Sniper

Dark Pit's arrow is a very potent way to force the opponent to burn a mobility option offstage. Since Dark Pit's arrow does more hitstun and damage, he can more easily chain arrows together, which can quickly kill the opponent. This works best when Dark Pit is airborne, since arrow has less endlag in the air. However, the stiffness of Dark Pit's arrow makes it a more commital strategy, especially when trying to cover low recoveries

If the opponent knows about that (whether they learned the hard way or via an external sourceSuch as what you're currently reading), chances are they'll do whatever they can to avoid the arrow. This is Dark Pit's cue to get closer and hit them with one of the previously mentioned tools. Repeat until the opponent either dies or gets back to the stage

It is very difficult to say which Pit has the better arrow for edgeguards, given how differently they are used. Experiment with both Pits and come to your own conclusions!



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