User:Flarp/sandbox

- wavebounce down guns

- Down tilt, dash grab, dash attack, full drift nair. All moves that employ similar purposes for Joker: burst options. When is it appropriate for Joker to use burst options? Dash Attack: The fastest option and also the one with the longest reach. Very good at covering nearly 1/3rd of the stage. Can anti-air with Arsene out. Stuffs out dash ins (particularly against characters with bad dash shields) and can catch dash backs into the corner. Can also catch dash backs to center or under platforms if character is slow enough. Down Tilt: Covers landings, beats spot dodges, low profiles. However, it doesn't really have many notable advantages over Joker's other options. Dash Grab: The shortest range, but also the most threatening of Joker's burst options. Range can be extended with dash attack cancel grab. Forces opponents to think about having to jump or spotdodge instead of feeling safe in a dash shield. Full drift short hop nair: Very good at covering short hops, covers spot dodges and roll backs, also can cover dash backs on slower characters. The safest option by far when used in a position that covers the entire corner. Not good in center stage or when trying to reclaim neutral. So then, when is it good to use Joker's burst options? Joker's burst options are best used at cornering your opponent while applying pressure as well as whiff punishing. Catching opponent's in their movement with Joker's burst options is difficult due to a combination of either short range or slow startups. To force opponents to play into the corner you have to use a combination of full hop neutral gun, full hop bair, and full hop fast fall nair to restrict their full hops as well as fadeback nairs and short hop double guns to restrict their ground movement and grounded approaches. If the opponent refuses to stop trying either of these there is no point in overcommitting with those burst options into the corner. You also don't have to directly commit to a move to take that powerful position. Your ultimate goal is to end up in a position where you are safe under a side platform or the edge of a center platform and have control over all of that space. On FD, Kalos, and sometimes on Town you really should be focusing more on backwards positions and the center of the stage. This means whittling it down in a slower way instead of slinging yourself into the corner recklessly (IE don't dash attack into the corner on FD because you will get stomp down aired for it by a falcon player or EWGF'd by a Kazuya player). Against characters where you are required to run at for whatever reason, you should be more concerned about taking that powerful space under the platform than conditioning them to be in the corner as most zoner players will work themselves into the corner trying to dashback on you and set up their projectiles and/or win conditioning (IE Steve mining and Samus charge shot). This also means that you should NOT take them to FD or Kalos as it makes their neutral significantly more effective against the general Joker gameplan.

- The FD problem: On stages with center and BF style side platforms, Joker has an easy "home-base" to play around in nearly every interaction. The safety of the platform makes it much easier for him to react to his opponents and cover options due to the way the platform restricts the opponent's tools. But what does Joker do if there is no platform to be safe on? Trying to play the same mid-range gun setup forced approach game doesn't work when your opponents can simply full hop fast fall over your entire gameplan and ruin your day. The best answer I can give for now is to play really hot and cold. Instead of trying to midrange people, you should be hyper-aggressive when behind and hard camping when ahead. At even pace you must decide based on the matchup what is appropriate. Against a zoners, charge characters, resource characters, etc you should be in their face. Against brawlers, swordies, and other midrangers it's best to go on the defensive. The theory behind why this works is that Joker's option coverage gets a lot better in both aggressive and defensive positions when there are no platforms. Nair covers a huge quantity of space and gun gets a massive buff, down gun especially. Town and City is an interesting case being the only legal stage that changes platform layout in the current ruleset. Camping is much preferred in that situation as you can bank on being able to return to your consistent and powerful gameplan in the future.