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The timer will count down every frame, including if a character is in hitpause, though it will pause if they are locked in {{StockIcon|RoA2|Clairen}}'s tipstun. When a character would be able to tech by making contact with a surface, if the timer is above 20, a tech option will be inputted, and the timer will be reset to 0. Otherwise, the character will miss the tech. Tech inputs will not impact the timer if the tech timer is not at 0.}}
The timer will count down every frame, including if a character is in hitpause, though it will pause if they are locked in {{StockIcon|RoA2|Clairen}}'s tipstun. When a character would be able to tech by making contact with a surface, if the timer is above 20, a tech option will be inputted, and the timer will be reset to 0. Otherwise, the character will miss the tech. Tech inputs will not impact the timer if the tech timer is not at 0.}}


=Ground Tech=
=Teching the Ground=
:<big>'''Tech Input:''' {{Notation|Shield|RoA2}} up to 20 frames before landing</big>
:<big>'''Tech Input:''' {{Notation|Shield|RoA2}} up to 20 frames before landing</big>
Ground techs must be done before landing on the ground, either before or after a hit connects. Combining this technique with floorhugging is known as [[RoA2/System_Mechanics/Defense#Floorhug_Tech|Amsah teching]]. Determining whether a character will tech in place or tech roll is dependent on the direction held on the frame the character lands.
Ground techs must be done before landing on the ground, either before or after a hit connects. Combining this technique with floorhugging is known as [[RoA2/System_Mechanics/Defense#Floorhug_Tech|Amsah teching]]. Determining whether a character will tech in place or tech roll is dependent on the direction held on the frame the character lands.
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| Character will have 20 frames of intangibility, followed by 6 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts a total of 26 frames.
||Character will roll in the direction held. They have 20 frames of intangibility, followed by 20 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts a total of 40 frames. During the 20 frames of intangibility, characters will stay in place for the first 6 frames before moving in the following 20 frames.
||Character will lightly bounce on the ground. This lasts 27 frames. After this, the character will be in knockdown.
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Revision as of 04:34, 13 April 2025


Knockdown

When a character is hit with enough knockback to send into tumble, it's trouble time. Characters who land during hitstun or tumble will go into a knockdown state when landing on a grounded surface, and they will bounce off any wall or ceiling surface. If a character is knocked into the ground at high enough velocity, they will also bounce on their own. This can leave characters in situations where they are vulnerable to attacks and at clear disadvantage.

If a character is knocked down on the ground, however, characters aren't helpless. They have many wake up options available, typically evasive options, but also a unique Attack and Special wakeup option to punish the opponent.

These disadvantage states an be avoided altogether, of course. This is done by performing techs, a timed preemptive input that will allows characters to gain temporary intangibility before becoming actionable again, skipping the knockdown state entirely. Note, however, that these are never truly 100% safe, as there is always a brief vulnerability window after intangibility, which if the opponent is there to punish it, can lead to another hit for the opponent. This sequence of sending characters into tech situations and tracking their wakeup options with a follow up is known as tech chasing, and it is one of the core gameplay punish loops.

Techs are typically inputted with ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
, but they can also be done with GrabDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
or ParryDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN: / +
KB:
if they are bound to air dodge in the air.

Alternatively, to avoid the counterplay of teching, it is possible to use weak moves to get around the opponent's defense. This can be especially useful when wanting to prevent the opponent from teching walls during recovery.

Forced Knockdowns

There are a few situations in the game that will lead to an untechable knockdown. Note that these only force a grounded knockdown, meaning that it is still possible to wall tech or ceiling tech from these states.

  • A character's shield is broken, and they land from their trajectory, entering knockdown.
  • A shielding character is pushed off the edge of a surface and lands on a different surface beneath them, entering knockdown.
  • A character is thrown by an untechable throw. Currently, only Loxodont's Down Throw realistically*The initial throw of his Forward Throw is also technically untechable. can do this.
  • A character is hit by an untechable hit. There are many moves that can do this, though many of these are typically only meant as linking hits that connect into other hits.

In addition, if a character inputs taunt while airborne, they cause a 25 frame uninterruptible ledge slip animation to appear which ends in tumble (which can be exited). Either ledge slip or tumble will lead to entering knockdown. This cannot be wall/ceiling teched. This is the most reliable way of inducing knockdown on yourself without external input. Can be useful to intentionally grant getup options like Getup Attack and Getup Special.

Hits That Force Knockdown

Universally, all Pummels force knockdown, though this is irrelevant in 1v1 gameplay.

Untechable Hits
Character Attack Hit
Clairen Ledge Special Slash Air
Clairen Ledge Special Slash Ground
Clairen Pummel Pummel
Clairen Special Pummel Pummel
Etalus Forward Strong Hit 1 Back
Etalus Forward Strong Hit 1 Front
Etalus Pummel Pummel
Etalus Special Pummel Pummel
Etalus Up Strong Hit 1
Fleet Dash Attack Multihit
Fleet Forward Throw Arrows 1 and 2
Fleet Pummel Pummel
Fleet Special Pummel Spummel
Forsburn Ledge Special Throw (Travel)
Forsburn Ledge Special Thrown (Travel)
Forsburn Pummel Pummel
Forsburn Pummel Special Pummel
Kragg Down Special Spike 1
Kragg Down Special Spike 2
Kragg Pummel Pummel
Kragg Special Pummel Pummel
Loxodont Down Throw Throw
Loxodont Forward Throw Throw
Loxodont Pummel Attack Pummel
Loxodont Pummel Special Pummel
Maypul Getup Special Dive
Maypul Pummel Pummel
Maypul Special Pummel Pummel
Olympia Pummel Attack Pummel
Olympia Pummel Special Pummel
Orcane Pummel Pummel
Orcane Special Pummel Create Puddle
Orcane Special Pummel Teleport to Puddle
Ranno Pummel Attack Pummel
Ranno Pummel Special Spummel
Wrastor Ledge Special Dive
Wrastor Pummel Pummel
Wrastor Special Pummel Spummel
Zetterburn Down Special (Aerial) Dive (Airborne)
Zetterburn Down Special (Aerial) Dive (Grounded)
Zetterburn Down Strong Hit 1
Zetterburn Forward Strong Linking Hit
Zetterburn Pummel Pummel
Zetterburn Special Pummel Pummel

Tech Timing

Unlike most options in the game, inputting tech does not abide by the universal 6 frame buffer. Instead, it uses a unique timing and buffer system to determine when it works. It is primarily a preemptive measure, but knowing when it's safe to go for a tech is important.

When?
If teched out of hitpause... If teched in hitpause...
Total:16
Total:16
Once a tech input is made, landing from a heavy hitA hit that sends a character into tumble, typically causing knockdown. within the next 20 frames will instead cause a tech. However, if the character does not tech within the next 20 frames, they are locked out from teching for the subsequent 20 frames. After these 40 frames are up, the character can attempt to tech again. If a tech input is done during hitpause, it automatically locks the character out from teching for 20 frames. The character can attempt to tech again after 20 frames.

Any successful tech will reset any preexisting techs, allowing for a fresh tech input to be input. Notably, Clairen's additional tipstun will not change the tech timer, and the tech timing is the same as if the tipstun never happened.


Technical Info

A more specific explanation is as follows. When the game starts, both characters have a tech timer of 0. If a tech input is ever performed, and the tech timer is 0, the game checks whether the character is in hitpause.

  • If the character is in hitpause, the timer is set to 20.
  • If the character is not in hitpause, the timer is set to 40.
The timer will count down every frame, including if a character is in hitpause, though it will pause if they are locked in Clairen's tipstun. When a character would be able to tech by making contact with a surface, if the timer is above 20, a tech option will be inputted, and the timer will be reset to 0. Otherwise, the character will miss the tech. Tech inputs will not impact the timer if the tech timer is not at 0.



Ground Tech

Tech Input: ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
up to 20 frames before landing

Ground techs must be done before landing on the ground, either before or after a hit connects. Combining this technique with floorhugging is known as Amsah teching. Determining whether a character will tech in place or tech roll is dependent on the direction held on the frame the character lands.

Tech Options
Option Intangible startup Vulnerable endlag Total Frames
Tech in Place 20 6 26
Tech Roll Forward 20 20 40
Tech Roll Backward 20 20 40
Mistech 0 27 27
Tech Options
Tech In Place Tech Roll Mistech
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ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
/ Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
Mistiming ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
Total:26
Total:40
Total:27
Character will have 20 frames of intangibility, followed by 6 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts a total of 26 frames. Character will roll in the direction held. They have 20 frames of intangibility, followed by 20 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts a total of 40 frames. During the 20 frames of intangibility, characters will stay in place for the first 6 frames before moving in the following 20 frames. Character will lightly bounce on the ground. This lasts 27 frames. After this, the character will be in knockdown.
Tech Options

Tech in Place

Landing: No input required
Total:26

Character will have 20 frames of intangibility, followed by 6 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts a total of 26 frames.

Tech Roll

Landing: Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
/ Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
Total:40

Character will roll in the direction held. They have 20 frames of intangibility, followed by 20 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts a total of 40 frames. During the 20 frames of intangibility, characters will stay in place for the first 6 frames before moving in the following 20 frames.

Mistech

Mistiming ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
Total:27

Character will lightly bounce on the ground. This lasts 27 frames. After this, the character will be in knockdown.

Teching Walls

Tech Input: ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:

Characters can tech the wall just like teching on the ground, but instead of choosing whether a character tech rolls or techs in place, they choose whether to do a regular wall tech or wall jump tech.

There are two different timings of wall techs.

  • Wallhug techs, performed by inputting ShieldDefault Controls
    Xbox:
    GCN:
    KB:
    up to 20 frames before entering hitpause, and be hugging the wall when hit, holding Default Controls
    Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
    KB: / / /
    *In the direction of the wall..
    • Most hitsMedium hitstun hits. that do not send into tumble require the direction to be held before hitpause. Hits that send into tumble will register a wall tech if the direction is inputted at any time during hitpause.
    • Characters become actionable as soon as hitpause ends.
  • Non-wallhug techs, peformed by inputting ShieldDefault Controls
    Xbox:
    GCN:
    KB:
    up to 20 frames before exiting hitpause and colliding with the wall. The character must be touching the wall after the hit for the wall tech to occur.
    • Characters can either touch the wall by SDI or getting launched toward it.
    • This can only be done from hits that send into tumble, and the character must be in hitstun or tumble to tech. On tech, the character goes through 5 frames of intangible startup, either through hitpause or wall jumpsquat.

Clairen's tipstun is uniquely affected by wallhug teching, as characters can input ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
before the hit or during the initial hitpause. Inputting during tippause will not result in any wall techs.

  • If the tech input is stored before the hit, performing the wall tech next to the wall during initial hitpause will cancel all tipstun.
  • If the tech input is stored during initial hitpause, performing the wall tech next to the wall will cause the character to be stuck in tipstun before able to act out of wall tech.

There are two types of wall techs: standard wall techs, and wall jump techs.

Note that by performing any wall tech, characters are locked out of grabbing ledge for 30 frames.

Wall Tech

Wallhugging: Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
Non-Wallhugging: No action necessary

A standard wall tech requires the character to hold the direction towards the wall, if done during hitpause. The direction needs to have a horizontal joystick value outside of the Deadzone ThresholdThis value is at ±0.2875., and a vertical joystick value below the positive Deadzone ThresholdThis value is at ±0.2875.. If outside of hitpause, no additional action is required, though it can be beneficial to use ASDI and/or SSDI to get to the wall if the hit is intended to send away from the wall.

Wall techs during hitpause will cause characters to be stuck in the remainder of the hitpause window, then be actionable as soon as hitpause ends. Wall techs out of hitpause will induce 5 frames of hitpause, effectively startup, before a character is actionable.

Wall techs grant 26 intangibility frames after exiting hitpause and can be instantly acted out of.

  • Any action inputted within 13 frames post-hitpause will cause the character's intangibility to end on frame 14.
  • Any action inputted 14 or more frames after wall tech will cause the intangibility to instantly run out, making the character vulnerable.

Wall Jump Tech

Wallhugging: Hold JumpDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
and Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
, or Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
Non-Wallhugging: JumpDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
or Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /

With a tech input stored, during hitpause, while holding the stick horizontally such that the character inputs a wall tech, it is also necessary to either hold the direction with a vertical component (a Y value above Deadzone ThresholdThis value is at ±0.2875.) or holding JumpDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
will instead register a wall jump tech. The same input will work outside of hitpause.

This does not consume your wall jump. It will still use the character's regular wall jump animation, but simply with intangibility. Characters cannot wall cling during their wall tech jump.

  • Wall jump techs during hitpause will freeze the character on the first frame of wall jumpsquat. After 5 frames of wall jumpsquat, characters have 9 frames of intangibility.
  • Wall jump techs outside of hitpause will induce no hitpause on the first frame of wall jumpsquat. After 5 frames of wall jumpsquat, characters have 8 frames of intangibility.

Ceiling Tech

Press ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
just before colliding with a ceiling

Ceiling techs give the character 5 frames of hitpause, before entering a state of having 35 intangibility frames. The character is actionable starting on frame 28, and they will immediately lose intangibility when they act out of it (with the exception of drifting and fastfalling).

Getup Options

When knocked down, there are several options still available to characters.

Getup Options
Option Intangible startup Vulnerable endlag Total Frames
Getup in Place 22 8 30
Getup Roll Forward 20 16 36
Getup Roll Backward 20 16 36
Getup Attack Startup + Active Frames Endlag 50
Getup Special Startup Active Frames + Endlag -
Getup Options
Getup In Place Getup Roll Getup Attack Getup Special
Forsburn wakes up in place.
Forsburn does a roll on wake up.
Forsburn does a Getup Attack on wake up.
Forsburn does a Getup Special on wake up.
Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
/ ShieldDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
/ Default Controls
Xbox/GCN: Left Analog Stick
KB: / / /
/ Right Stick Left and Right
AttackDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
/ StrongDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
/ GrabDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
/ Right Stick Up and DownShockingly, this will also work even if you set the Right Stick to "Special".
SpecialDefault Controls
Xbox:
GCN:
KB:
Total:30
Total:36
Total:50
Total:72
The character wakes up by standing in place with 22 frames of intangibility, followed by 8 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts 30 frames total. Character will roll in the direction held. The character rolls with 20 frames of intangibility, followed by 16 frames of vulnerable endlag. This lasts 36 frames total. The character strikes with intangibility as they get back up, hitting both sides. Intangibility lasts until the last active frame, at which point the endlag will be vulnerable. The character does a unique attack that can yield advantage situationally. However, these typically only have intangibility during startup, being vulnerable during the attack's active frames, and they are more punishing on whiff compared to Getup Attack.

Jab Reset

When an opponent in knockdown is hit by a weak enough move, they will enter a knockdown hurt animation, lasting 14 frames.

  • During this animation, weak hits will result in the hurt animation being reset to the first frame.
  • Strong hits will result in regular hitstun, proceeding like any normal hit and launch.
  • If this animation completes, the opponent is forced to getup.

This act of intentionally forcing a getup is known as a jab reset. Characters can only be forced with a neutral getup or a getup roll. It also clears the input buffer, meaning that a new directional input after the reset must be made in order to properly choose a getup option.

Hits that meet any of the following criteria will jab reset:

  • The hit deals fixed knockback (knockback scaling of 0).
  • The hit typically sends into light hitstun (knockback velocity below 13.5 cm/f).

Jab resets are a useful way of forcing tech chase options like Grab which are typically not possible on opponents in knockdown, as well as avoiding having to wait on the opponent's terms for a getup option.

Slideoff

If a character is in knockdown with horizontal momentum, whether it due to be floorhugging an attack or the natural momentum of a move, and slides off the edge of any surface, they will enter 6 frames of inactionable ledgeslip, similar to shield pushoff. You can start acting on frame 7 with any airborne action, whether it be a double jump, an Aerial, Special, or grabbing ledge. Notably, because the character enters tumble, air dodging requires the input to be released instead of pressed.

If the character hits the ground, they will enter knockdown which can be teched. After 25 frames of LedgeSlip state, the character will enter tumble.

This can be useful for escaping platform tech chases, as being sharked under platforms while being in constant knockdown or tech options can be easily chased down, and this allows the character to get back onto the stage, likely able to punish the opponent's endlag in time. This can also be useful if sliding off the edge of a side platform to immediately grab ledge out of it, forcing the opponent to switch from standard punish to ledgetrapping.

If a character is not in knockdown and slides off the edge after getting hit, the character is instantly actionableThis is technically the FallStart animation, meaning that you cannot immediately grab ledge behind you from this..

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